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August 05, 2015


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Zen not only requires absolute honesty, Zen IS absolute honesty. As to the snarkiness of Zen, for those swept up in the continuous becoming of samsara, undoubtedly it must appear advanced or serene to wear one’s sandals on their head as in the old koan. Or a bunny suit. Don’t think I don’t “get” what Brad Warner’s antics are about. He is a spiritual child who should not be leading others, any more than one who thinks living a carefree life of shoving cookies into one’s mouth is the proper path of spiritual cultivation. As to the “here and now”, if we define that in terms of the compounded, which is how worldlings pin down the constant moving evolution of phenonema, to get swept up in the inertia so to speak of habit energies and confuse them with the real, sorry, I must say that is not how I see it. Zen is the unmoving, uncompounded and indestructible which transcends all appearances, including space and time as experienced in this unfortunate mind field; all meaningless dualistic distinctions and avidya which can fortunately (by a person of good concentration and merit) be slashed with the sword of noble wisdom and transcended when pointed in the right direction by a genuine master of the mind – which sadly, Brad Warner is not. A nice guy, popular fellow, full of witticisms, a charismatic presence looked well upon by worldlings, perhaps, but an extremely dangerous and misleading teacher of Zen in my opinion. He is in it for himself, and woe unto those who follow him. ‘Nuff said. I find this entire conversation distasteful.

I have absolutely NO idea what any of the comments are trying to say.

There is no such thing as the mind.

Hi folks. Good comments.
I think Brad has the challenge of being hedonistic in the wrong contexts and that might not be good for a teacher with responsibilities for other beings. Also, teaching misleading things like the idea that there are no higher realms or Buddha fields is very destructive for new adepts. Even though my personal doubt mass sometimes reaches certain heights, i do agree that the here and now is all there is and that is where our attention should be.

However, one sooner or later encounters transcendent states, energetic phenomena, mind reading etc..and one needs to integrate these into daily practice. I remember some old hippie who said he would be scared if he woke up one day in the same state as a psychedelic trip, and yet, many people live in the type of paradigms that users of entheogens visit from time to time. Some zen centers have been known to send people to the mental hospital when experiencing these types of openings during sesshin. This is a crime.

What is an intresting twist to Zenmar's arguments about teachers and centers not teaching true dharma and all that is the fact that these things are often taught to a small circle of inner disciples while the rest of the lay sangha are more or less considered "support crew" or something like that.

I'm quite suscpicious to some types of zazen where an unprotected person just ends up like a battery on a zafu and i know it exists because i have seen the dynamics of it in dreams, interacting with different beings etc. That is why relying on the bodhisattvas and buddhas for protection might be necessary in the long run. This ofcourse means that secular beliefs need to fall away. I'm not sure Brad is a good protector for some. Then again, Los Angeles is quite satanic in its constitution and people might not mind being like that.

May the dharma flourish!

N. Yeti,

You do know that zen is snarky don't you?

"Supreme ultimate unsurpassed enlightenment" is about as snarky as it gets in zen. It means you see what zen is all about and how it fits in to a bigger picture. It doesn't mean you'll like the picture.

After all you never see cats dressing up to prove that their more cat than other cats do you? Nope.

So one trap is people hooked on attainment after attainment. Another trap is people who think there is nothing to attain, but Zen teaching and honesty are not always on good terms...

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