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March 12, 2015

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Black:

What you are calling the "DEATH FORCE" is the Mind/citta in Buddhism. Mind/citta is the past participle of √CIT which means "the animating principle of life" (V.S. Apte, The Student's Sanskrit-English Dictionary, p. 208). Prithagjana such as youself cling to the biological person, not the animating principle of life. The material world is a construction of Mind. It is Mind-only.

Zennist, the fourth plane is part of samsara like all the others. To meditate within that plane is just as bad as fixating on the psychophysical body. They are all samsara. They are all karma, aka death force, aka clinging to non-being.

Black:

Sitting around fixated on your body (the five aggregates) means that you are worshiping Mara the killer. You are unable to see the unconditioned which is unborn and undying.

N. Yeti, re-read part of your own quote:

Now this, bhikkhus, is the noble truth of the origin of suffering: it is this craving which leads to re-becoming, accompanied by delight and lust, seeking delight here and there; that is, craving for sensual pleasures, craving for becoming, craving for disbecoming.

Your craving for disbecoming or non-being or ASAT or DARK FORCE or formlessness...whatever you want to call it...through meditation, will result in REBIRTH. This is why, as I said, Theravada sees all four planes (for our purposes we are talking about the fourth plane) as REBIRTH. To crave formlessness (through disbecoming), is samsara. Why are you all so stupid that you can't see your own cravings?

Sitting around meditating in a trance, aka 'high,' is obviously ASAT or non-being. Death force. It is death-worship in the guise of life. It is being a zombie, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with a SELF.

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