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October 01, 2012

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This blog wants to be about original zen, i.e. chan. Original chan taught exactly this, as we find in the scrolls of Tunhuang, reported in the book by Jeffrey Broughton which once was cited here, as far as I remember. Karma is manmade, a category existing in the mind, and it can be cut of exactly there. This is not to say that there is no b following a, but that there is no fixed outcome of every action or intention, as there is also chaos. The believe in karma as more than interdependence, meaning a somehow justifying system, is a mind illusion to be cut off. The same goes for reincarnation. It has to be understood metaphorically.

The Buddha initially refused to talk. That is what Zen is about. The transmission by holding up a flower. The transmission OUTSIDE the scriptures. This is not Japanese, but Chinese Zen already. It means to distrust anyone who was delivered s.th. that goes "The Buddha said", even the Mahayana scriptures which are also just the finger pointing to the moon, not the moon itself.

No, June, not like you and me.

dooyen: of course your first-person experience is worse than Shakyamuni's. It depends WHOSE first person experience we're talking about. An enlightened being's first person experience is not the same as an ordinary human being's experience. That's why if you're an unenlightened bombu like you (and me), it's better to trust the enlightened being's first person experience and not another bombu or yourself. Who is an enlightened being, and who isn't, only your internal buddha, the unmistakable compass, can tell you.

Yes, the first person experience is better. And mine is not worse than the Shakyamuni's. And it tells me that there is no reincarnation and karma can be cut off, as it is a category of the mind.

Of course, almost any first person believes he or she is right.

Non-algorithmic phenomena, which presumably include most mental phenomena, are by their very nature beyond the scope of the physical sciences: http://rational-buddhism.blogspot.com/2012/02/church-turing-deutsch-principle-and.html

If this philosophical distinction is understood, then there is a clear 'good fences make good neighbors' functional demarcation between the third person and first person worldviews

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