Generally speaking, Bhikkhu Bodhi’s translation of the Samyutta Nikaya is technically pretty darn good (if you are ordering it order: The Connected Discourses of the Buddha). I use his translations often on this blog. At least for me, the transcendent sticks out in Bodhi’s translations, as it should. Buddhism is not a religion for materialists, or secular Buddhists, although some might disagree who are of the mind that Buddhism must change just like Lady Gaga has replaced Beethoven.
Speaking of secular Buddhists, I came across this passage in Stephen Batchelor’s new book, Confession of a Buddhist Atheist (2010). Batchelor’s Sutta passage regrettably lacks any citation—but I pretty much know where it came from. I include the entire paragraph (p. 127) from his book. Oh, before I forget, all the brackets are mine.
“This Dhamma I have reached,” said Gotama in describing what he discovered that night under the branches of the original tree,
is deep, hard to see, difficult to awaken to, quiet and excellent, not confine by thought, subtle, sensed by the wise. But people [pajâ] love their place [âlaya]: they delight and revel in their place. It is hard for people who love, delight and revel in their place to see this ground [thânam]: this-conditionality, conditioned arising."
For the secular Buddhist, Batchelor’s translation is perfect. But comparing it with the actual Pali, it sucks. Bhikkhu Bodhi’s translation is superior. Period. Without question it is very precise and coherent. It is from the Brahmayacana Sutta (S. i. 136).
“This Dhamma that I have discovered is deep, hard to see, hard to understand, peaceful and sublime, not within the sphere of reasoning, subtle, to be experienced by the wise. But this generation [pajâ] delights in adhesion [âlaya], takes delight in adhesion, rejoices in adhesion. For such a generation this state [thânam] is hard to see, that is, specific conditionality, dependent origination. And this state too is hard to see, that is, the stilling of all formations, the relinquishment of all acquisitions, the destruction of craving, dispassion, cessation and Nibbana.”
The reader will note that the two translations follow each other until we get to the word “wise” (pandita), then all hell breaks loose. Curiously, Batchelor left out this section of the passage:
“And this state too is hard to see, that is, the stilling of all formations, the relinquishment of all acquisitions, the destruction of craving, dispassion, cessation and Nibbana.”
Maybe he forgot to include this section because it deals with the state of uncomposed reality (keep in mind that nibbana/nirvana is uncomposed and also immortal or amata). Methinks Batchelor is uncomfortable with the transcendent.
On the following page Batchelor then tries to make the case that what Gotama hit upon during his great awakening was a ground which is the “contingent, transient, ambiguous, unpredictable, fascinating and terrifying ground called “life” (p. 128). This, of course, is laughable. What Gotama awakened to was, “the stilling of all formations, the relinquishment of all acquisitions, the destruction of craving, dispassion, cessation and Nibbana.”
In a word, Gotama hit upon the transcendent ground which is like Kryptonite for a secular Buddhist. Here are some Kryptonite passages from the Udana (80, 81) which describe nirvana that secular Buddhists probably wish weren’t in the canon.
“Monks, there is that domain where there is neither earth, nor water, nor fire, nor air; neither sphere of the infinitude of space, nor sphere of the infinitude of consciousness, nor sphere of nothingness, nor sphere of neither perception nor non-perception; neither this world, nor the next world, nor sun, nor moon. That state, monks, I call neither coming nor going, neither appearing nor disappearing. It has no origin, no evolution, no stopping. This, in truth, is the end of suffering.”
and,
"Monks, there is a not-born, a not-become, a not-made, a not-compounded. Monks, if that unborn, not-become, not-made, not-compounded were not, there would be apparent no escape from this here that is born, become, made, compounded. But since, monks, there is an unborn ... therefore the escape from this here is born, become ... is apparent."
For the secular Buddhist who draws much of their Buddhism from the teats of dumbed down Buddhism, including shabby and incomplete translations, I know it may come as a shock to hear these words, but ya really need to do less zazen and study a lot more.
(Dudes, I am saying this to help you especially to save you from making some seriously bad karma—oops, I forgot, you don’t believe in karma.)
Hello, ZenHG. I pointed out a few things I disagree with in my post, sorry if that wasn't clear enough. Let me focus it down a bit: (1) “Buddhism is not a religion for...secular Buddhists” however, as I stated, it is a religion for me. (2) That the implication is that Secular Buddhists are uncomfortable with what the Buddha taught – and this secular buddhist is not. (3) That Secular Buddhists have a dumbed-down version of Buddhism (stated without detail). (4) That Secular Buddhists don't believe in karma (stated without detail).
I don't believe you know me well enough to know that you were “once like me” ZenHG, with your implication that I haven't studied enough of the Canon to know better.
But overall, I am interested in a conversation with the blog owner – Zenmar, you say? – if there's an interest in sharing a bit of public dining on ideas rather than just dumping on people, if you get my drift.
Posted by: star | February 28, 2011 at 02:26 PM
As I remarked in an earlier comment to your articles, you are operating in a world where point of view not peer review holds sway. The transition from Homo Sapiens to "Homo Luminus" is not an easy one. Having read the various comments on this blog, not a single commentator, however eloquently they express themselves, offers real proof of possessing the real garbha seed or even the Lotus flower/petal shaped bodhi awakening. Sure some of them agree with you and some other disagree yet all seem to fail to realize that a true awakening of the heart is more important than an opinion of the mind as a response to a thought provoking article about buddhism.Whom here can lay true witness on the real difference between secularized Buddhism and the Buddhadharma of the mystic that no brain can touch. That of course without giving referehce to words of spiritual giants but more on virtue and merit of their own genuine awakenings to the real principle working flawlessly behind every opinion, experience or image? Any takers?
I prefer the words and thoughts of an honest and humble lay buddhist not afraid to reckognize his ignorance while seeking an entrance to the way than a well speaking, smooth talking hypocrite, gorged on that intellectual food which so easily can be found in Buddhas teachings when read and translated with the mind rather than read and verified with the spiritual heart of Bodhidharma.
Posted by: azanshi | February 28, 2011 at 05:46 AM
To those two 'Secular' Buddhists...
What is it, exactly, that you do not agree with in Zenmar's posting?
I was once like you, then I actually studied the Canon, had some talks with some people, including Zenmar - my views are more 'Gnostic' at this point.
Gnosis is not just a knowing, or a studying, it goes beyond even simple experience.
If that is not 'Zen' or 'Buddhism' then I do not think it worth having.
There is definitely something there, and these are not just about personal ideas. Those need to be set aside, facts should NEVER be made to fit an idea. It is the other way around.
Posted by: ZenHG | February 27, 2011 at 10:59 PM
Dude, do you actually know any Secular Buddhists and have you talked to them about their beliefs in karma? In case you don't have any in your neighborhood, please let me introduce myself.
I'm not dogmatic about the secularness of my Buddhism (I see my godless path as a religious path but that's got more to do with a general love of the flexibility of language and its in/accuracy in conveying experience than with bending what "secular" means in any way) but from the things you've been saying lately I think you'd categorize me as a quite radical Secular Buddhist. So...
While I don't believe the Buddha actually taught that there was anything that was transcendent in Wiki's sense of "transcendence (religion), the concept of being entirely above the universe" I am not in the least uncomfortable with the Buddha's discussion of giving up all acquisitions, craving, the development of dispassion, cessation and nibbana*; no problem with a domain in which there is no concern for the material realm, nor infinite realms, nor nothingness etc.; I'm completely comfortable with him pointing out the necessity of the unborn, uncompounded as an escape from that which is born and compounded. But that's because I understand what he is saying. I understand it in a way that is probably quite different from the way you understand it.
I'm interested in carrying on a conversation with you about this. Are you interested in a two-way exchange of thoughts? This article seems designed to provoke with phrases like "Buddhism is not a religion for...secular Buddhists" and "For the secular Buddhist who draws much of their Buddhism from the teats of dumbed down Buddhism" but I'm not sure it's thoughtful discussion you're aiming to provoke, so much as simply provoking a strong reaction. But I'm asking, in case I'm mistaken in my perception of what you're wanting to do here.
* pieces left out for the sake of brevity -- would not want to be accused of "forgetting because of" whatever you might imagine would be my motives for leaving bits out
Posted by: star | February 27, 2011 at 02:44 PM
Wow!
I just realized that I actually DO like you. Tho' i'll probably never really agree with you, I think I still do.
Thanks! Keep up the studious good work!
Hugs,
A Secular Buddhist
Posted by: Secular B | February 27, 2011 at 02:36 PM